{"id":6599,"date":"2021-12-18T13:45:39","date_gmt":"2021-12-18T12:45:39","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/?p=6599"},"modified":"2021-12-18T13:45:41","modified_gmt":"2021-12-18T12:45:41","slug":"linconnu-de-la-photographie","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/?p=6599","title":{"rendered":"L&rsquo;inconnu de la photographie"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/1587157559201_458896156-scaled.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/1587157559201_458896156-784x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4181\" width=\"416\" height=\"544\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/1587157559201_458896156-784x1024.jpg 784w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/1587157559201_458896156-230x300.jpg 230w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/1587157559201_458896156-768x1004.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/1587157559201_458896156-1176x1536.jpg 1176w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/1587157559201_458896156-1567x2048.jpg 1567w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/1587157559201_458896156-624x815.jpg 624w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/1587157559201_458896156-scaled.jpg 1959w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 416px) 100vw, 416px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">J&rsquo;avais r\u00e9dig\u00e9 un <a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/?p=4176\" data-type=\"post\" data-id=\"4176\">Rendez-vous ancestral<\/a> autour de cette photographie, il r\u00e9sumait mon interrogation sur ce fameux portrait trouv\u00e9 chez mon grand-p\u00e8re. Il m&rsquo;avait montr\u00e9 \u00e0 plusieurs reprises la grande majorit\u00e9 de ses photographies anciennes et jamais celle-ci ! En y r\u00e9fl\u00e9chissant bien, il y a toute une s\u00e9rie de photographies que j&rsquo;ai d\u00e9couverte apr\u00e8s sa mort, elles provenaient des papiers de sa tante maternelle Andr\u00e9e Frantz.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Je reprends donc l&rsquo;enqu\u00eate ma premi\u00e8re piste \u00e9tant erron\u00e9e. Il ne s&rsquo;agit malheureusement pas de mon bisa\u00efeul Joseph Pellet-Langlais (1877-1932) dont je ne poss\u00e8de pas de photographie.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/impossible.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/impossible-831x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4185\" width=\"362\" height=\"446\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/impossible-831x1024.jpg 831w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/impossible-243x300.jpg 243w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/impossible-768x946.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/impossible-624x769.jpg 624w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/impossible.jpg 1172w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 362px) 100vw, 362px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Voici donc une pr\u00e9sentation de cette photographie :<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery aligncenter columns-3 is-cropped wp-block-gallery-1 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\"><ul class=\"blocks-gallery-grid\"><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223424_HDR-scaled.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"794\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223424_HDR-794x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"4179\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223424_HDR-scaled.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/?attachment_id=4179\" class=\"wp-image-4179\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223424_HDR-794x1024.jpg 794w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223424_HDR-233x300.jpg 233w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223424_HDR-768x990.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223424_HDR-1191x1536.jpg 1191w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223424_HDR-1588x2048.jpg 1588w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223424_HDR-624x805.jpg 624w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223424_HDR-scaled.jpg 1985w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 794px) 100vw, 794px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223406_HDR-scaled.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"775\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223406_HDR-775x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"4178\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223406_HDR-scaled.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/?attachment_id=4178\" class=\"wp-image-4178\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223406_HDR-775x1024.jpg 775w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223406_HDR-227x300.jpg 227w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223406_HDR-768x1015.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223406_HDR-1162x1536.jpg 1162w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223406_HDR-1549x2048.jpg 1549w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223406_HDR-624x825.jpg 624w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223406_HDR-scaled.jpg 1937w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 775px) 100vw, 775px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223432_HDR-scaled-e1587233966850.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"781\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223432_HDR-scaled-e1587233966850-781x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"4180\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223432_HDR-scaled-e1587233966850.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/?attachment_id=4180\" class=\"wp-image-4180\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223432_HDR-scaled-e1587233966850-781x1024.jpg 781w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223432_HDR-scaled-e1587233966850-229x300.jpg 229w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223432_HDR-scaled-e1587233966850-768x1007.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223432_HDR-scaled-e1587233966850-1172x1536.jpg 1172w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223432_HDR-scaled-e1587233966850-624x818.jpg 624w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200417_223432_HDR-scaled-e1587233966850.jpg 1440w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 781px) 100vw, 781px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><\/ul><figcaption class=\"blocks-gallery-caption\">La photographie sous toutes les coutures<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Je l&rsquo;ai soumise \u00e0 Mr Guy Joly qui, \u00e0 ma suggestion de la dater de 1900 ou \u00e0 peu pr\u00e8s, m&rsquo;a r\u00e9pondu :<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Vu l&rsquo;attitude de cette personne, cette photo est plus ancienne.&nbsp;<br>Je la daterai vers 1875 plus ou mois 5 ans.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Si vous ne connaissez pas son site, allez y faire un tour <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/guy.joly1.free.fr\/datation_photos.html\" target=\"_blank\">CLIC<\/a> !<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Pour confirmer, je m&rsquo;int\u00e9resse \u00e0 d&rsquo;autres photographies de la p\u00e9riode ainsi qu&rsquo;aux costumes, mais je ne retrouve pas de costume strictement semblable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Qui dans l&rsquo;ascendance Frantz, d&rsquo;o\u00f9 provient la majorit\u00e9 des photographies, pourrait donc correspondre ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/inconnu-scaled.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/inconnu-882x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-6675\" width=\"355\" height=\"411\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/inconnu-882x1024.jpg 882w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/inconnu-258x300.jpg 258w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/inconnu-768x891.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/inconnu-1323x1536.jpg 1323w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/inconnu-1765x2048.jpg 1765w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/inconnu-465x540.jpg 465w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/inconnu-431x500.jpg 431w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 355px) 100vw, 355px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Antoine Louis Alphonse Chouliac ressort comme seul de cette branche vraisemblable mais peut-il vraiment \u00eatre une bonne option ? Si la photographie est de 1870, il aurait 38 ans, c&rsquo;est plausible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/main.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/main.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4191\" width=\"159\" height=\"161\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/main.jpg 680w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/main-296x300.jpg 296w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/main-624x632.jpg 624w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 159px) 100vw, 159px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">La blessure \u00e0 la main droite bien visible sur la photographie correspond parfaitement \u00e0 la mention pr\u00e9sente en 1852 dans le passeport \u00e0 l\u2019int\u00e9rieur qu&rsquo;il avait sollicit\u00e9 pour aller de Paris \u00e0 Versailles comme commis-voyageur. Il y est question du petit doigt de la main droite et c&rsquo;est tout \u00e0 fait cela !<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Chouliac-estropie.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Chouliac-estropie-1024x388.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-6676\" width=\"636\" height=\"241\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Chouliac-estropie-1024x388.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Chouliac-estropie-300x114.jpg 300w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Chouliac-estropie-768x291.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Chouliac-estropie-465x176.jpg 465w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Chouliac-estropie-695x263.jpg 695w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Chouliac-estropie.jpg 1302w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 636px) 100vw, 636px\" \/><\/a><figcaption>Extrait du passeport (Source : archives familiales Braun)<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">La forme g\u00e9n\u00e9rale du visage, le menton, la moustache identique, l\u2019implantation des oreilles sont semblables mais les traits du visages ne sont pas suffisamment distinguables pour permettre de confirmer l&rsquo;identit\u00e9 avec la seule photographie que je connaissait de lui \u00e0 la fin de sa vie, vers ses 70 ans. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/inconnu3-scaled.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/inconnu3-1024x497.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-6677\" width=\"428\" height=\"207\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/inconnu3-1024x497.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/inconnu3-300x146.jpg 300w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/inconnu3-768x373.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/inconnu3-1536x745.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/inconnu3-2048x994.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/inconnu3-465x226.jpg 465w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/inconnu3-695x337.jpg 695w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 428px) 100vw, 428px\" \/><\/a><figcaption>vers 70 ans                                             38 ans ?<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00c0 suivre&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>J&rsquo;avais r\u00e9dig\u00e9 un Rendez-vous ancestral autour de cette photographie, il r\u00e9sumait mon interrogation sur ce fameux portrait trouv\u00e9 chez mon grand-p\u00e8re. Il m&rsquo;avait montr\u00e9 \u00e0 plusieurs reprises la grande majorit\u00e9 de ses photographies anciennes et jamais celle-ci ! En y<span class=\"more-link\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/?p=6599\">Lire la suite&#8230;<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":4181,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[18,127],"tags":[],"class_list":["entry","author-pantaleonmondeguerre","post-6599","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-ascendance","category-quartier-biron"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6599","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=6599"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6599\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":6679,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6599\/revisions\/6679"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/4181"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=6599"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=6599"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=6599"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}