{"id":2789,"date":"2019-11-07T00:01:57","date_gmt":"2019-11-06T23:01:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/?p=2789"},"modified":"2026-04-12T21:02:25","modified_gmt":"2026-04-12T20:02:25","slug":"foras-challengeaz-2019","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/?p=2789","title":{"rendered":"Foras #ChallengeAZ 2019"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><big>F<\/big><\/span>oras&#8230; Les g\u00e9n\u00e9alogistes savoyards ont sans doute d\u00e9j\u00e0 entendu ce nom.<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-media-text is-stacked-on-mobile\" style=\"grid-template-columns:21% auto\"><figure class=\"wp-block-media-text__media\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"246\" height=\"300\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Am\u00e9d\u00e9e_de_Foras-246x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2790 size-full\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Am\u00e9d\u00e9e_de_Foras-246x300.jpg 246w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Am\u00e9d\u00e9e_de_Foras.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 246px) 100vw, 246px\" \/><\/figure><div class=\"wp-block-media-text__content\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Le Comte \u00c9loi <strong>Am\u00e9d\u00e9e <\/strong>Jacques Fran\u00e7ois <strong>de Foras<\/strong> (<time datetime=\"1830-08-05\" data-sort-value=\"1830-08-05\">1830<\/time>&#8211;<time datetime=\"1899-12-31\" data-sort-value=\"1899-12-31\">1899)<\/time>, est un \u00e9rudit (g\u00e9n\u00e9alogiste et h\u00e9raldiste), homme politique savoyard, puis fran\u00e7ais, issu d&rsquo;une famille de la noblesse savoisienne. Il est l&rsquo;auteur de plusieurs ouvrages dont les quatre premiers volumes de l&rsquo;<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>Armorial et nobiliaire de l&rsquo;ancien duch\u00e9 de Savoie<\/strong><\/span>. Il fut aussi Pr\u00e9sident de l&rsquo;Acad\u00e9mie chablaisienne, une soci\u00e9t\u00e9 savante savoyarde de la province du Chablais.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Poursuivi jusqu&rsquo;en 1938, l&rsquo;armorial rassemble <span class=\"nowrap\">263 familles<\/span>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/gallica.bnf.fr\/ark:\/12148\/bpt6k65800471\/f15.image\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Tome 1<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/gallica.bnf.fr\/ark:\/12148\/bpt6k65767241\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Tome 2<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/gallica.bnf.fr\/ark:\/12148\/bpt6k9801513d\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Tome 3<\/a> et <a href=\"https:\/\/gallica.bnf.fr\/ark:\/12148\/bpt6k9799181k?rk=64378;0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">3 bis<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Tome 4<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Tome 5<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/gallica.bnf.fr\/ark:\/12148\/bd6t57812792\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Tome 6<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Compl\u00e9ments manuscrits<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Les compl\u00e9ments manuscrits sont aux Archives d\u00e9partementales de la Haute-Savoie. Ils sont c\u00f4t\u00e9s 43 J 2309-2362, les familles concern\u00e9es sont inventori\u00e9es <a href=\"https:\/\/archives.hautesavoie.fr\/archive\/fonds\/FRAD074_000000327\/view:113741\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">ici<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ce superbe ouvrage m&rsquo;a \u00e9clair\u00e9e sur mon anc\u00eatre Estiennaz de Machard m\u00eame s&rsquo;il y a une erreur sur son \u00e9poux dans l&rsquo;Armorial, Presset au lieu de Pellet. Car il faut savoir que les branches les moins reluisantes ne sont pas toujours bien renseign\u00e9es quand elles ne sont pas tout bonnement ignor\u00e9es&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Machard-Estiennaz.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"75\" height=\"300\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Machard-Estiennaz-75x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2792\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Machard-Estiennaz-75x300.jpg 75w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Machard-Estiennaz.jpg 231w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 75px) 100vw, 75px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Source : T3 bis, page 304<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Et la pr\u00e9sentation de la famille avec le superbe blason dans les deux pages pr\u00e9c\u00e9dentes :<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/de-Machard1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"199\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/de-Machard1-300x199.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2793\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/de-Machard1-300x199.jpg 300w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/de-Machard1-768x511.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/de-Machard1-1024x681.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/de-Machard1-624x415.jpg 624w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Source : l&rsquo;<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>Armorial et nobiliaire de l&rsquo;ancien duch\u00e9 de Savoie<\/strong><\/span>, T3 bis, page 302-303<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Le compl\u00e9ment manuscrit quant \u00e0 lui m&rsquo;a apport\u00e9 des informations sur des femmes de petite noblesse de son ascendance.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/de-La-Thoy.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"196\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/de-La-Thoy-300x196.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2791\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/de-La-Thoy-300x196.jpg 300w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/de-La-Thoy-768x503.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/de-La-Thoy-1024x671.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/de-La-Thoy-624x409.jpg 624w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Source : 43 J 2356 aux A.D. de Haute-Savoie<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Comme il est assez fr\u00e9quent de se trouver une petite branche noble, cet ouvrage dans son ensemble peut devenir vite utile !<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Mais m\u00eame sans branche noble, on peut agr\u00e9menter son arbre de jolis blasons ! Beaucoup de familles arborent un blason, plus ou moins ancien et plus ou moins fantaisiste&#8230; \u00c0 toutes les \u00e9poques depuis le XIII<sup>e<\/sup> si\u00e8cle, des blasons sont cr\u00e9\u00e9s et pas seulement chez les nobles !<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Pour la r\u00e9gion de Savoie qui m&rsquo;int\u00e9resse, le nord du duch\u00e9, il existe plusieurs ouvrages int\u00e9ressants. Je vais citer en premier celui qui j&rsquo;ai d\u00e9couvert en biblioth\u00e8que au d\u00e9but de mes recherches : l&rsquo;<strong>Armorial du Chablais<\/strong> de John Baud.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image wp-image-3092 size-medium\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"190\" height=\"300\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Armorial-du-Chablais-190x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3092\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Armorial-du-Chablais-190x300.jpg 190w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Armorial-du-Chablais.jpg 301w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 190px) 100vw, 190px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Armorial du Chablais, John Baud<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">C&rsquo;est gr\u00e2ce \u00e0 lui que j&rsquo;ai d\u00e9couvert le blason de ces familles d&rsquo;anc\u00eatres par exemple :<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery aligncenter has-nested-images columns-default wp-block-gallery-1 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Cheneval-blason.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"316\" data-id=\"3093\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Cheneval-blason-1024x316.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3093\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Cheneval-blason-1024x316.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Cheneval-blason-300x93.jpg 300w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Cheneval-blason-768x237.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Cheneval-blason-624x193.jpg 624w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Montfort-blason.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"303\" data-id=\"3098\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Montfort-blason-1024x303.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3098\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Montfort-blason-1024x303.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Montfort-blason-300x89.jpg 300w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Montfort-blason-768x227.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Montfort-blason-624x184.jpg 624w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Gay-blason.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"548\" data-id=\"3099\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Gay-blason-1024x548.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3099\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Gay-blason-1024x548.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Gay-blason-300x161.jpg 300w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Gay-blason-768x411.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Gay-blason-624x334.jpg 624w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Gay-blason.jpg 1326w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Il existe aussi un armorial ann\u00e9cien de 1776, du peintre Van Helmont cot\u00e9 1 Mi art.3 aux archives d\u00e9partementales de la Haute-Savoie. Du coup il est en noir et blanc&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Foras&#8230; Les g\u00e9n\u00e9alogistes savoyards ont sans doute d\u00e9j\u00e0 entendu ce nom. Le Comte \u00c9loi Am\u00e9d\u00e9e Jacques Fran\u00e7ois de Foras (1830&#8211;1899), est un \u00e9rudit (g\u00e9n\u00e9alogiste et h\u00e9raldiste), homme politique savoyard, puis fran\u00e7ais, issu d&rsquo;une famille de la noblesse savoisienne. Il est<span class=\"more-link\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/?p=2789\">Lire la suite&#8230;<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":2790,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[88,96,143,95],"tags":[97,98,28,27,30],"class_list":["entry","author-pantaleonmondeguerre","post-2789","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-defis","category-challenge-az","category-challenge-az-2019","category-sources","tag-challengeaz","tag-challengeaz-2019","tag-noble","tag-noblesse","tag-savoie"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2789","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2789"}],"version-history":[{"count":11,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2789\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":13096,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2789\/revisions\/13096"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/2790"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2789"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2789"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2789"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}