{"id":2763,"date":"2019-11-05T00:01:35","date_gmt":"2019-11-04T23:01:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/?p=2763"},"modified":"2026-04-12T20:50:58","modified_gmt":"2026-04-12T19:50:58","slug":"donne-challengeaz-2019","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/?p=2763","title":{"rendered":"Donn\u00e9 #ChallengeAZ 2019"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span style=\"color: #ffcc00;\"><big>D<\/big><\/span>onn\u00e9 ? \u00c0 quel propos, un objet ? Non c&rsquo;est un enfant&#8230;<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">J&rsquo;ai quelques anc\u00eatres \u00ab <em><strong><span style=\"color: #ffcc00;\">donn\u00e9s<\/span><\/strong> <\/em>\u00bb ou parents de \u00ab <em><strong><span style=\"color: #ffcc00;\">donn\u00e9s<\/span><\/strong> <\/em>\u00bb&#8230; Et vous ?<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Mermin-Claude-1642.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"145\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Mermin-Claude-1642-300x145.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2772\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Mermin-Claude-1642-300x145.jpg 300w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Mermin-Claude-1642-768x372.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Mermin-Claude-1642-1024x496.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Mermin-Claude-1642-624x302.jpg 624w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Source : R.P. de Contamine-sur-Arve (A.D. de Haute-Savoie)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ici, il s&rsquo;agit de la naissance d&rsquo;un <em><strong><span style=\"color: #ffcc00;\">donn\u00e9<\/span> <\/strong><\/em>d&rsquo;un de mes anc\u00eatres, Guillaume MERMIN (\u00b0~1610-&lt;&gt;1689-1698). Je ne connais pas le devenir de cet enfant qui n&rsquo;a peut-\u00eatre pas v\u00e9cu&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">J&rsquo;ai aussi parmi mes anc\u00eatres <span style=\"color: #ffcc00;\"><em><strong>donn\u00e9s<\/strong><\/em><\/span>, Maurice DUPRAZ LULLIN (\u00b0~1560-&lt;&gt;1607-1625) <span style=\"color: #ffcc00;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">et Estiennaz de MACHARD (\u00b0~1662-1722). Ni son acte de mariage, ni son acte d&rsquo;inhumation ne la mentionne <em><strong><span style=\"color: #ffcc00;\">donn\u00e9e<\/span><\/strong><\/em>. Elle agit dans peu d&rsquo;<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>actes notari\u00e9s<\/strong><\/span> et l&rsquo;un d&rsquo;entre eux est tr\u00e8s clair \u00e0 ce propos.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Machard01.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"52\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Machard01-300x52.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2774\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Machard01-300x52.jpg 300w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Machard01-768x133.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Machard01-1024x178.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Machard01-624x108.jpg 624w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Source : Tabellion de Viuz-en-Sallaz 1697 f\u00b0432 (A.D. de Haute-Savoie)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Je sais encore, gr\u00e2ce au <strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">notariat<\/span>, <\/strong>que son p\u00e8re ne l&rsquo;a pas oubli\u00e9e dans son testament et qu&rsquo;il lui a l\u00e9gu\u00e9 1000 livres mais malheureusement ce testament n&rsquo;est pas consultable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Le terme <span style=\"color: #ffcc00;\"><em><strong>donn\u00e9<\/strong> <\/em><\/span>s&rsquo;explique tr\u00e8s bien par lui-m\u00eame. Le p\u00e8re de l&rsquo;enfant est <em><strong><span style=\"color: #ffcc00;\">donn\u00e9<\/span> <\/strong><\/em>par la m\u00e8re dans le sens de d\u00e9nonc\u00e9 et l&rsquo;enfant est <em><strong><span style=\"color: #ffcc00;\">donn\u00e9<\/span> <\/strong><\/em>physiquement \u00e0 son p\u00e8re qui en prend la charge. Il vit dans sa famille paternelle, son p\u00e8re le nourrit et l&rsquo;\u00e9tablit. Et sa m\u00e8re n&rsquo;est pas syst\u00e9matiquement rejet\u00e9e par la communaut\u00e9.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Mais parfois le p\u00e8re n&rsquo;est gu\u00e8re d&rsquo;accord&#8230; Ce qui peut donner lieu \u00e0 rencontrer des actes contradictoires dans les <strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">registres paroissiaux<\/span><\/strong>. La qualit\u00e9 des photographies n&rsquo;est pas formidable mais l&rsquo;acte vaut le d\u00e9tour. Le pr\u00eatre continue le bapt\u00eame coute que coute !<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery aligncenter has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-1 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_105.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" data-id=\"2776\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_105-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2776\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_105-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_105-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_105-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_105-624x468.jpg 624w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_105.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_106.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" data-id=\"2777\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_106-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2777\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_106-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_106-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_106-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_106-624x468.jpg 624w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_106.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<figcaption class=\"blocks-gallery-caption wp-element-caption\"><em>Source : R.P. de Viuz-en-Sallaz (A.D. de Haute-Savoie)<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Quant \u00e0 cet acte de plus de trois pages, le p\u00e8re indiqu\u00e9 s&rsquo;oppose, apporte des t\u00e9moignages, la m\u00e8re est introuvable. L&rsquo;enfant devra \u00eatre \u00e9lev\u00e9 par son p\u00e8re <em>s&rsquo;il l&rsquo;est vraiment<\/em> ou sera \u00e9lev\u00e9 \u00e0 la charge de la paroisse !<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-2 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_125.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" data-id=\"2778\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_125-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2778\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_125-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_125-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_125-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_125-624x468.jpg 624w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_125.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_126.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" data-id=\"2779\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_126-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2779\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_126-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_126-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_126-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_126-624x468.jpg 624w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_126.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_127.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" data-id=\"2780\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_127-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2780\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_127-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_127-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_127-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_127-624x468.jpg 624w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/740311_B_1682-1732_127.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<figcaption class=\"blocks-gallery-caption wp-element-caption\"><em>Source : R.P. de Viuz-en-Sallaz (A.D. de Haute-Savoie)<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ces \u00e9crits ne sont pr\u00e9sents que dans un seul exemplaire des B.M.S. de la paroisse. Le g\u00e9n\u00e9alogiste habitu\u00e9 aux diff\u00e9rences qu&rsquo;on rencontre dans les <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>registres paroissiaux<\/strong><\/span> les d\u00e9couvrira mais le n\u00e9ophyte s&rsquo;il consulte seulement la deuxi\u00e8me collection passera \u00e0 c\u00f4t\u00e9&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ces cas de <em><strong><span style=\"color: #ffcc00;\">donn\u00e9s<\/span> <\/strong><\/em>sont loin d&rsquo;\u00eatre isol\u00e9s, d&rsquo;ailleurs ce dernier exemple est pr\u00e9c\u00e9d\u00e9 d&rsquo;une autre naissance de <em><strong><span style=\"color: #ffcc00;\">donn\u00e9<\/span><\/strong><\/em>. Et d\u00e9j\u00e0 en 1561 \u00e0 Viuz-en-Sallaz, les <em><strong><span style=\"color: #ffcc00;\">donn\u00e9s<\/span> <\/strong><\/em>\u00e9taient nombreux : 23 <span style=\"color: #ffcc00;\"><em><strong>donn\u00e9s<\/strong><\/em><\/span> vivaient dans 18 foyers diff\u00e9rents parmi les 216 feux recens\u00e9s. Ils vivaient tous au foyer de leur p\u00e8re.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Voici un accord de Joseph de Bellegarde avec la future m\u00e8re d&rsquo;un enfant naturel :<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/bellegardejoseph.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"224\" src=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/bellegardejoseph-300x224.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2897\" srcset=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/bellegardejoseph-300x224.jpg 300w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/bellegardejoseph-768x573.jpg 768w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/bellegardejoseph-1024x764.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/bellegardejoseph-624x466.jpg 624w, https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/bellegardejoseph.jpg 1911w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lepetitcolporteur.com\/\/2020\/fr\/php\/NrEpuise.php\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">in Le Petit Colporteur n\u00b012 page 18<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Malheureusement l&rsquo;enfant n\u00e9 en juillet est d\u00e9c\u00e9d\u00e9 en octobre 1731&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Donn\u00e9 ? \u00c0 quel propos, un objet ? Non c&rsquo;est un enfant&#8230; J&rsquo;ai quelques anc\u00eatres \u00ab donn\u00e9s \u00bb ou parents de \u00ab donn\u00e9s \u00bb&#8230; Et vous ? Ici, il s&rsquo;agit de la naissance d&rsquo;un donn\u00e9 d&rsquo;un de mes anc\u00eatres, Guillaume<span class=\"more-link\"><a href=\"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/?p=2763\">Lire la suite&#8230;<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":2772,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[88,96,143],"tags":[97,98,30],"class_list":["entry","author-pantaleonmondeguerre","post-2763","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-defis","category-challenge-az","category-challenge-az-2019","tag-challengeaz","tag-challengeaz-2019","tag-savoie"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2763","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2763"}],"version-history":[{"count":13,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2763\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":13092,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2763\/revisions\/13092"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/2772"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2763"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2763"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/biron-rivet.fr\/pistedemesayeuls\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2763"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}